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rrayner 03-05-2018 06:18 PM

Key Change Cancellations
 
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The cropped screen grab below (Screen Grab.jpg) shows the key changing in measure 33 from F Minor to Bb Major. The Alto part properly shows the cancelling natural signs for the dropped Ab and Eb, but the Soprano part does not show the cancelling natural signs for the dropped Ab and Db, even though it correctly shows the Bb Major key signature.

I have tried this in Composer 3.0.6 and get the same results, so I'm reporting it here.

Here is a link to my posting of the full score, as the upload process won't let me upload the score again, by any name:
http://www.notation.com/vb-forum/showthread.php?t=34257

Ralph Rayner

dj 03-06-2018 01:27 PM

Re: Key Change Cancellations
 
Hi, Ralph:

I d/l'ed your duet and had a look at it.

At the top, I see that the Soprano line is in 4 flats, but the Alto line is in 3 flats. Is that your intention? It says here that "the Alto Recorder is a non-transposing instrument". I do see that the transposition makes sense.

That being said, I see where your key change at bar 33 goes to Bb, without the cancellation naturals in the Soprano staff.

I went to concert pitch, transposed the notes from bar 33 onward back down a tone, deleted the key sig change, then re-transposed from bar 33 onward in concert pitch and re-did the instrument transposition.

All appears correctly.

I think that you did the key sig change separately for each line while the Alto line was transposed, which only applies the key sig to that line, and the "Show cancellation naturals" box may not have been checked for the Soprano line, thus, the cancellation naturals didn't appear in the Soprano line.

The suggestion then is to do the key sig change from concert pitch, then re-apply the instrument transpositions.

I hope that helps.

David

rrayner 03-06-2018 08:15 PM

Re: Key Change Cancellations
 
Ahh, thanks, David. I was able to fix the cancellation problem by doing a rough equivalent of what you suggested. I was changing keys several times, and probably just messed up. So, not a Composer bug!!!

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Originally Posted by dj (Post 68839)
At the top, I see that the Soprano line is in 4 flats, but the Alto line is in 3 flats. Is that your intention? It says here that "the Alto Recorder is a non-transposing instrument". I do see that the transposition makes sense.

You are right, David. I am a self-taught Recorder player, so when I started teaching Cynthia Soprano (descant) recorder, I bought an Alto (treble) recorder. I had no idea that traditionally the treble starts at low F, and therefore the fingering is different. I played the treble and figured it was a transposing instrument, similar to an English Horn or French Horn, so all the duets I've written for the "Learning and Teaching" sub-forum have the Alto part "incorrectly" notated as an "F" instrument. I even got politely schooled by one of our English correspondents about the treble recorder. After thanking her for the education, I added a sticky note to the L&T sub-forum explaining my error, but that I was going to continue the error of my ways, rather than go back and correct all of my previous postings. It would be interesting to know how many people use L&T as recorder players, or transpose for other instruments. Maybe I will talk to Sherry someday about running a survey.

Ralph


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