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M G Jacobs (mgj32) 02-15-2006 09:46 AM

Perhaps it would be interestin
 
Perhaps it would be interesting to someone somewhere in the world or in a parallel universe to compare a symphonic movement with an old piano piece. I would imagine that listening to both would make the relationship between the two obvious. I might add that the middle theme in the piano piece (which is called "Sun and Shadow" after a phrase in a weather report on TV) is apparently going to find its way from piano to orchestra, too--into a violin concerto. But that's another story.

The symphonic movement is undergoing transition from a soundfont file back to a GM file, which it was orginally but didn't get saved as. I will put that here shortly. For now, I'll post Sun and Shadow--which could as well be called a lot of things, although probably not Moonlight on Still Waters.

mgj

<center><table border=1><tr><td>http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gifSun and Shadow
Sun and Shadows va.mid (33.8 k)</td></tr></table></center>

M G Jacobs (mgj32) 02-28-2006 10:16 AM

This is the symphonic movement
 
This is the symphonic movement. Although it was the second movement I wrote (I started with the 3rd), it is the 4th of the complete work. In an early draft, I had a much better imitation of a calliope in the return of the opening theme just after the first appearance of the mrach. I haven't been able to get the cymbal crescendos to sound exactly as I would wish, either. Otherwise, I'm very nearly satisfied.

The midi device I used was Soundblaster Synth A. The system master volume was set at 75%, as was the midi synth volume. The speaker volume was set at 100%. Treble at 96% and Bass at 74%.

<center><table border=1><tr><td>http://www.notation.com/discus/icons...hment_icon.gifSymphonic movement, Allegro
1 IV Nov 25 MIDI VER.mid (205.1 k)</td></tr></table></center>

David Jacklin (dj) 02-28-2006 11:40 AM

Hi, M.G. You stated above &
 
Hi, M.G.

You stated above "just after the first appearance of the mrach." Is that a typo or an instrument I don't know about?

Cymbals are difficult, along with timpani. I've found success in splitting rolls for both between two tracks and hiding one.

David

David Jacklin (dj) 02-28-2006 11:40 AM

Oh, heck, now I get it. It
 
Oh, heck, now I get it. It's not an mrach! It's a march!

Silly me.


M G Jacobs (mgj32) 03-01-2006 06:37 AM

Hi David, A mrach does soun
 
Hi David,

A mrach does sound like it ought to be an instrument, doesn't it? Maybe some kind of twangy string instrument?

I'll give the two track roll a try. Actually, I had better luck writing out all those 64th notes and doing the note velocity for each one. But that was a couple of years ago when I first started this thing, and that early version is long gone.

Fortunately, there is a cymbal/timpani combo soundfont that I use in a version for recording, which produces a better sound (without all the initial clicks), but that doesn't help if one is trying to stick with what GM contains. Using two tracks might just do it. Thanks for the idea.

all best,
mgj

David Jacklin (dj) 03-01-2006 11:50 AM

Very interesting movement, by
 
Very interesting movement, by the way, M.G. I'll be interested to hear the full piece. Just far enough out, harmonically, to be new, yet retaining a grip on the familiar.

And, my compliments on the scope of your musical vision. There aren't a lot of people who can even begin a symphony, let alone complete it.

David


Mark Walsen (markwa) 03-01-2006 05:39 PM

Hello M.G. and David, "
 
Hello M.G. and David,

"Just far enough out, harmonically, to be new, yet retaining a grip on the familiar." That's M.G.'s trademark.

Cheers
-- Mark


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