Dance Music

[Daniel Vallery (danielv)]

I'm really not sure what genre this is. I know it's dance music, but there are alot of subdivisions, like techno, trance, house, etc. Anyways, I haven't named this piece yet. It took me a few weeks to write. Like other dance music, it's somewhat repetitive, and I don't expect alot of people to like it, excepting my friends who listen to that kind of music all the time. Here it is:
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~Big D

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hey Big D,

All in all you did a great job on the untitled piece. I'm not overly fond of the "seashore" effect. It really doesn't sound like the seashore, but more like static or the wind.
I'm not up on today's genres either. Could it be "New Age"?

>quote: "Like other dance music, it's somewhat repetitive, and I don't expect alot of people to like it, excepting my friends who listen to that kind of music all the time."

I'm an old guy, Daniel, but unlike my elders as I was growing up playing my 'today' music, I can appreciate all music. What you've done is create an interesting composition, encompassing not only the necessary skills and knowledge but also feeling and "soul". I'm certain a lot more people than just your friends who listen to that style all the time would like it as well. I like the way you built suspense and anticipation that leads to a nice climax.
The only suggestion I might have is to try for a little more balance in the volume levels. I think some of the grand piano parts can be brought up just a little in places to give the piano a bit more authority. Again, nice job! I'm very impressed with most of what you have done. Keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Fred

[Alek Yasko (kombrig)]

Hi, Daniel!

You've done a great job! I quite enjoy this because the dance music one of my favorite genres. For my opinion this is a pure techno-style.
Regarding the name of this peace, I'd propose:
1. The End of Illusion.
2. Be Strong, Pal.
3. Speeding On Turns.

Mostly I've been impressed of your drum line arrangement. I haven't find yet 'open hat' effect on 2-nd and 4-th bit of measure. Also, I like a lot of tr... with the bass drum!

Can you show me a short fragment of the bass line, Daniel, in .not format (4 measures would be enough)? I would like to learn how to arrange such a rhythm. I'd surely appreciate that.

Thanks a lot.
Kombrig.

[Alek Yasko (kombrig)]

Howdy, Fred!

I have a question to you, if I may...
You wrote once:
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I use 6\8 mainly for a jazz waltz.
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Did you mean 9\8? I'm asking because in 6\8 t.s. one beam group of three 8-th is missing.
How did you do that, Fred?
Can you show me one of your arrangements of jazz waltz?
And I'll show you mine.
I believe we can open a new 'WALTZ' thread on 'ACCORDION' page.

Thank you.
Kombrig.

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi Kombrig,,

No, I meant 6\8. I have written very few jazz waltzes, mostly just trying to get a feel. I have used 6\8 and 3\4. Unfortunately those have been lost due to a computer crash and I was never able to recover them. I have, however, played hundreds of jazz waltzes in 6\8. Strangely, the jazz waltz can even be played in 4\4. Does that surprise you? I am attaching a jazz waltz rhythm written in 4\4. When I have the time, I hope to expand on that.

I have not participated in previous discussions regarding the playing of jazz and swing in 6\8 as opposed to 4\4. The reason being, is that everyone is correct. Everything can be played in any time signature and made to sound just fine.

However, what everyone seems to overlook is that when experiened, top notch jazz musicians read jazz they do not play it as written. They interpret it and the results are "soulful". Soul comes from within. It absoulutely can NOT be read. Relating that to other forms of music, a good classical musician can read a Mozart piece perfectly as written. It just ain't gonna sound like Wolfgang himself! I wonder why?http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

It sounds like a lot of fun to collaborate with you on some jazz waltzes. Give me some time and I will work on something and upload it. It will be a while, however, I am going through a bad time currently and hope to be back to some production within a few months. Thanks for suggesting that.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi Kombrig,

I'm sorry, I forgot to attach the file. Here are a few measures of jazz waltz in 4\4.

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[Alek Yasko (kombrig)]

Evening, Fred!

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Unfortunately those have been lost due to a computer crash and I was never able to recover them.
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I'm terribly sorry, my friend!

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I have, however, played hundreds of jazz waltzes in 6\8.
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I believe on piano? Well it supposed to be good. I play also a lotsa waltzes on accordion and guitar, but jazz waltzes I arranged just a few.

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Strangely, the jazz waltz can even be played in 4\4. Does that surprise you?
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This is unbelievable! Unfortunately, I couldn't open your file because you're using probably the latest version of MNC. And I have a 1.1.7 junk! Could you send me a midi, Fred?

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Soul comes from within. It absoulutely can NOT be read. Relating that to other forms of music, a good classical musician can read a Mozart piece perfectly as written. It just ain't gonna sound like Wolfgang himself! I wonder why?
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This is totally comprehensible! For instance, I'm making really simple replicas of what I'm playing live often it cannot be put on notation.
I think, playing Mozart and other classics is absolutely depends of interpretation of the certain musician.

Well, as soon as I failed to listen to your piece of jazz waltz, take a look at mine arrangement of well known "Sunrise, Sunset".
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Be happy.
Kombrig.

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi Kombrig,

Nice job on Sunrise, Sunset! Dancers will appreciate the waltz in 3\4 or 9\8 because they are not as complex. They shy away from 6\8 time because of that complexity. The jazz waltz is mainly for "listening enjoyment" rather than for dancing. It's the difference in counting that throws them off.
In 3\4, the quarter note gets one beat. In 6\8, the eighth note gets one beat. The dancer counts 1,2,3 per measure in 3\4 time. In 6\8 he would count 1,2,3, 2,2,3. Or another way, he would count 3 beats to the measure in 3\4 or 9\8. In 6\8 he could count 2 beats to each measure. Of course, the tempo would have to be adjusted. The reason the jazz waltz works in 4\4 is because you could think of it as cut time. Counting 2 beats to the measure. I am attaching the midi file of the jazz waltz in 4\4. When I finally get the chance to write the waltz in that time format, I would kick it up a notch and make it much more interesting.

quote: I have, however, played hundreds of jazz waltzes in 6\8.
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I believe on piano? Well it supposed to be good. I play also a lotsa waltzes on accordion and guitar, but jazz waltzes I arranged just a few.

Nah, I'm a tenor sax man. I didn't start playing the piano until 1985.

I am about to leave for a trip, but will be back soon and will try to get back to the music. Thanks for the waltz tune!

Cheers,
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[Mark Walsen (markwa)]

Hello Fred,

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I am about to leave for a trip...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I hope all turns out well with Patsy.

Cheers
-- Mark

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi Mark,

Thank you for your concern. After Patsy's biopsy today, things do not look good. We won't know for about a week for sure, but she said she has reason to be very concerned about the results.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hello All,

I just re-did "Patsy's Song" using GPO Steinway Grand Piano. I added strings to the original some months ago, but incorporating strings with GPO will be a later project ( I still have some book larnin' to do ). The MP3 with Steinway Grand is on my soundclick site:

http://www.soundclick.com/fredwinterling

Cheers,
Fred

[Mark Walsen (markwa)]

Hello All,

Fred just sent Sherry and me some very good news about Patsy, which Fred asked that I pass on to the many of you who have expressed concern to Fred in various threads in this forum and in email to him.

Here's what Free said:<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>

Great News!! Patsy's surgery was a complete success. A complete mastectomy was done and only one lymph node was taken. The final pathology report shows it to be NEGATIVE. After her next appointment on the 26th, if all goes as expected, they will set her up with an oncologist to discuss further treatment. The doctor said she may be "busy" for the next 6 months. However, any further treatment she opts for would be "precautionary" and not because of any bad information found.

... I don't think the results would have been the same without the prayers and well wishes of so many wonderful people ...

Cheers,
Fred<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>It sounds like Fred is going to be busy for a little while before he can reconnect to all of us. But I suspect he'll be peeking into the forum as soon as he gets a chance, but not any sooner than it might take him to absorb the good news about Patsy.

Cheers
-- Mark

[M G Jacobs (mgj32)]

Hi Mark,

This is excellent news. Thanks for the relay.

best,
mgj

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi All,

Yes, I will be peeking into the forum as much as possible. It is a little hectic at the moment and when I am in Baltimore I am on the world's slowest dial-up computer.
I just want to thank everyone again for your well wishes and prayers for Patsy. Without which, the results would not have been this good!
I gave this old computer to my granddaughter to use for school. It looks like she will also be getting one of my better speaker systems for it as well the next time I am up here in Baltimore.http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif My music sounds horrible on this system.
In the words of one of my favorite movie friends..." I'll Be Bach!"

Cheers,
Fred

[David Jacklin (dj)]

Fred said: I am on the world's slowest dial-up computer.

You can't be, Fred. I am! Six miles from where Alexander Graham Bell personally installed the 2nd pair of telephones ever made and I swear we're using the original phone lines.

All the best for you and Patsy.

David

[Fred Winterling (harbor1)]

Hi David,

quote: You can't be, Fred. I am! Six miles from where Alexander Graham Bell personally installed the 2nd pair of telephones ever made and I swear we're using the original phone lines.

You got me there, David. I guess I'll have to be happy with 2nd place.http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif
Fortunately, when I got my DSL in Virginia I did not cancel my old dial-up. It was paid for a year and I am quite a procrastinator. At least it comes in handy here. (That refund, however, would have bought the best stuffed lobster dinner anywhere in Baltimore).

Thank you so much for your support for Patsy and me. I have come to realize that this forum is so much more than great musicians and composers, but also so many wonderful people. I feel like I am a part of one big family.

Cheers,
Fred