Multiple Endings on A and B part

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Most of the tunes I deal with are fiddle tunes.

Many have an A part and B part.

The A part has 2 endings (1 measure each) and the B part has 2 endings (1 measure each).

I got the A part working fine. But I can't seem to get the B part working. As soon as I add another ending (after the A part) the software seems to get completely confused.

I tried calling the second set of ending (1 and 2) as well as (3 and 4) but neither worked.

Can Composer handle this?

I tried multiple ways of ending the A part (Double Bar, Thick Double Bar etc.)

I did manage to get the whole B part to repeat but I can't get it to repeat with alternate endings.

I uploaded the files. Currently I just copy pasted the alternate B parts.

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[Sherry Crann (sherry)]

Howdy George,

Composer should handle this, but in trying out the additional repeat endings, I see that there is a problem here. It looks like it's related to an already reported task, which is slated for fixing. I'll bump the priority up a bit.

In the meantime, you can work around this problem by using the Perform/Edit Repetition Instructions dialog.

Here's an example with extra repeat/endings for the above file.

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I did have to manually edit the Repetition Instructions to get the file to play properly. If you do the manual editing, you'll want to do it last, after you've inserted the repeat markings and such in the score, so that the manually edited ones "stick".

ttfn,
Sherry

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Thanks for the rework.

But the main reason I want the proper repeats in their is to match the Music from the Music Book my teacher uses (with the repeat notation).

I have been using the Notation, then go to class and I'm like a deer looking into headlights trying to read it because I got used to how the notation presented it.

The First part now looks and behaves EXACTLY like the music book which is great. Now if I could only do the second part.

I uploaded what it should look like but doesn't play close to correct.

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[Sherry Crann (sherry)]

Howdy George,

Yes the second part, which contains a second repeated section that ends with a closed ending exposes a bug that I'd already reported. The workaround to fix the problem (and be able to edit the repetition table to make it sound correctly) is to simply add a blank measure at the end of the score.

Here's a copy of such a file. I (1) added an extra measure at the end and (2) used Perform/Edit Repetition Table to edit the repetitions to match the scored repeats. Hopefully the extra blank measure at the end won't throw you off too much http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

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You can take a look at the Perform/Edit Repetition Table to see how I set up the repeats to match the score. We'll be fixing that bug for the next maintenance release.

ttfn,
Sherry

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Ahhh, perfect thanks !!!

Much better than using the repeat instruction thingy.

It now looks like real music and plays like real music.

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Ooops, I should have said it always looked like real music, but now it looks exactly like the original score.

Thanks again.

[Sherry Crann (sherry)]

Howdy George,

We'll get the repeat instruction thingy working like it's supposed to. In the meantime, though, you'll need to use the Edit/Repetition Instruction dialog to make the playback correctly (as I did with the one above). Sorry for the inconvenience.

ttfn,
Sherry

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Oh, I didn't realize you still needed to do manual instructions I thought you only needed the blank measure at the end to fix what I sent last.

I understand now.

Can't wait for a new release with some of these issues sorted out.

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Will the fixed version of software allow me to handle this case with no manual repeat instructions and do it all through standard music notation?

[Sherry Crann (sherry)]

Howdy George,

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Will the fixed version of software allow me to handle this case with no manual repeat instructions and do it all through standard music notation?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Yes http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

ttfn,
Sherry

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

I just did a very similar edit to another song. Repeating A part with 2 endings and repeated B part with 2 endings and it worked using just music notation. How come I din't need the empty measure at the end or have to do manual repeat instructions as you did?

File is attached

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[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Sorry one more issue not sure it's related to others.

I edited yet another similar format song and like the previous didn't need manual repeat instructions to work.

It did act a little flaky at the end some times ending early so I added a blank intro measure similar to the previous song and it will play correctly all the way through.

However whenever it jumps over the first ending measure (on both A and B parts) it hesitates (it's like it misses part of the 1st note on the 2nd ending). Not sure it's related to the other bugs or it's something hidden from the original midi that make this file unique. I tried doing manual repeat instructions and it still hesitated. Also added trailing empty measure as you did on the first song.

Tried it on two computers XP and Vista and they both do it.

I was playing it at 50% tempo

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[Sherry Crann (sherry)]

Howdy George,

For the repeats playing properly in some cases and not in others.
I'm honestly not sure why the "add an extra measure to the front or end" seems to work - that's probably answered by looking at the actual program code, and I'm not the one who does that http://www.notation.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

I just went back and re-did the first file you'd posted above, simply removing the repeats and endings, and adding them back after adding a measure to the end of the piece. The performance worked the way it was supposed to (I had edited the Repetition Table because I was looking at the previous task/bug report for similarities to your file.) So, until we get the bug fully fixed, simply adding a blank measure to the end of your file is the first thing to try if playback is incorrect.

The "missing note" for the Swallow Tail Jig piece is because for the original .mid file, the "note on" event actually anticipates the notation by just a tad, which actually puts the performance of that note as starting in the previous measure.

http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/30405/37227.png

What this means is that when Composer jumps to the second ending, it "misses" that note-on, and thus doesn't play the note. This is a known problem which we're working to fix. In the meantime, you can fix these manually by:

1. Click "Piano Roll", and have either of the "Edit both" or "Edit performance" buttons "on."
2. Click on the note that has the pre-barline beginning
3. Click the "Snap as-performed attack to as-notated" tool button.

http://www.notation.com/discus/messages/30405/37228.png

Now Composer will properly play the note because the note will start at the beginning of the measure, rather than "anticipating" it.


ttfn,
Sherry

[George Mills (mswlogo)]

Thanks, that worked great.

I can see why repeats with alternate endings can get very complicated.