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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1557
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a new forum section for MidiNotate Player.

MidiNotate Player is free music software that converts MIDI files to notation, using the same transcription technology as in MidiNotate Musician and Composer. MidiNotate Player also is a free "viewer" and "player" that views, prints, and plays NoteSoft (.not) files created by MidiNotate Musician and Composer.

The current version 1.0.9.6 of MidiNotate Player is a beta release. The final version 1.1 release is scheduled for approximately April 26, 2005.

The final version of MidiNotate Player can be freely distributed, but beta releases of MidiNotate Player should not be distributed. The reason for this is that I do not MidiNotate Player to start spreading around on the Internet until I'm sure it has been well-tested.

If you find any problems with MidiNotate Player, please report them in this section of the forum.

Cheers
-- Mark
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 66
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Mark,

I know it is getting difficult, I hardly find my own post.
I've copied the post, here it is:


I tried 1.0.9.9 and it works fine as long as I choose my soundcard as midi device. The moment I switch to USB Midi, it stops playing impeccable. Not as worse as before but still.
I tried to load it in an other folder but then I get the message that I couldn't download from the internet because of some "temp" and "LOCAL" I don't know what.
It belongs in the MidiNotate folder.

I really don't know what it is, maybe it has something to do with the software connections between hardware (kb) and pc.

Still when I play the same song (from internet) with the Media player it sounds like it should. I want to use MN Player in the same way.

Maybe I find a way like I did with Composer.

Oh,btw,I forgot to mention it but the song which I've sent to you, "Wandering Star" played normal with Composer, but didn't play with MN.
Player.

Maybe a hint!!


Cheers.........Erwin
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1597
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Erwin and Jaap,

I will probably released MidiNotate Player 1.1 tomorrow (April 29) even though this particular bug is not resolved. Perhaps conditions of the bug are:
  1. The MIDI file is a Yahama XF MIDI file, such as Erwin's Wandering Star.mid.
  2. The Yamaha XF MIDI file is played back through a Tyros keyboard (and perhaps other Yamaha keyboards?)
  3. The problem is specific to MidiNotate Player; it's not a problem with MidiNotate Composer.
Jaap, if you see this post, I'd appreciate your trying to play Erwin's Wandering Star.mid file, using MidiNotate Player 1.0.9.9, on your Tyros.

Thanks!
-- Mark

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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 70
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mark

It seems that the XF MIDI file ( and I didn't know of it's existance)is causing the problem, I opened a midifile on that website (SVP) which was created with GM sounds and nothing went wrong, I even could play it through my KB.

Is there a way that MN Player recognizes this kind of midifiles.

I don't know who it was but someone here on the forum told me to download the midifile and clean it up with Composer Pro. In this case I don't need MN Player, Pro will do the job.

In those FX-midis, is the data stored in the first measure because there is always one empty measure which proceeds the score and it's in that measure MN-Player hangs.

Last question, for what does FX stands for.

Have a nice evening

Cheers.........Erwin
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 71
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry FX must be XF
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1600
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Erwin,

My guess is that Yamaha chose "XF" to mean "eXtra Format" for MIDI XF.

That's a good idea to try using Composer Pro to clean up the XF MIDI file. I see in your Wandering Star.mid file that there are lots of SysEx events. In the file below, I have used Composer Pro to remove all of the SysEx events. Please let me know if it plays ok in MidiNotate Player:

audio/midWandering Star MIDI with no SysEx events
Wandering star-NoSysEx.mid (51.6 k)


Thanks for helping me pin down this problem!

Cheers
-- Mark
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 72
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just found out that XF has something to do with header information, lyrics and chord data.

Erwin
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 73
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 9:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mark

I just played the No Sysex version. When I start the song at the very first measure ( this is the empty one) the blue cursorline starts for the first beat and stops.
After a few seconds it runs again and going fast over the second and third measure without giving any sound. From then on there is sound but it's oooooh soooo out of tune and a lot of drop-outs.

It sounds like a bunch of very drunken musicians, even when listening to it you get dizzy.
Now when you pause the performance somewhere in the song and you start it back, the drunken musicians turned out to be as sober as a fish.

Now the song sounds like it should.

Cheers.......Erwin
Weird isn't it
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1601
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 2:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Erwin,

Let's try whittling this MIDI file down some more. Here's is the same MIDI file with the RPN Pitch Sensitivity events removed as well as the SysEx. This example tests whether perhaps your Tyros somehow takes a long time to respond to PRN Pitch Sensitivity events. This might correct the delays at the beginning of the song:

audio/midWandering Star MIDI with no SysEx and no RPN pitch sensitivity
Wandering star-NoSysExNoRPN.mid (51.5 k)


The next MIDI file further removes the Pitch Bend events. It should fix the pitches:

audio/midWandering Star MIDI with no SysEx and no RPN pitch sensitivity and no Pitch Bend
Wandering star-NoSysExNoRPNNoBend.mid (50.0 k)
I'd appreciate your trying these with MidiNotate Player.

Cheers
-- Mark

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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 74
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mark

Both version are the same. Starting at the beginning, thus the empty measure, results in a stop at the first beat. This is what I always forgot to mention, at the stop I receive a kind of modulated noise. When the noise is over, the song continue but drunken.

With these two versions, when I start the song at the second measure, it plays in the right tempo and pitch. This didn't work out in the previous versions so we are getting close.

Thanks........Erwin

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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1603
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 7:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello,

Another attempt. This MIDI file is the same as the above, except with Mod Wheel events also removed:

audio/midWandering star-NoSysExNoRPNNoBendNoModWheel.mid
Wandering star-NoSysExNoRPNNoBendNoModWheel.mid (46.8 k)


Cheers
-- Mark
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 75
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still the same , Mark.

Cheers..........Erwin
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1605
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Erwin,

I'll visit this again in a few days. The file name is getting kind of long with all of the No's. Thanks for your report.

Cheers
-- Mark
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Erwin O (erdax)
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Username: erdax

Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know Mark, that's why I want to look at it myself with Composer Pro, but my trial period is over.

Erwin
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1606
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Erwin,

Sorry about the delay on Composer Pro. I'll probably get a new beta release out on Friday May 5.

Cheers
-- Mark
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Minnesota
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Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On MidiNotate Player 1.1.1 the page displays the bass clef above and below the treble clef. How do I get it to display and print in the conventional manner: treble above all the bass?
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Mark Walsen (markwa)
MidiNotate Developer
Username: markwa

Post Number: 1845
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Minnesota,

If the MIDI file lists the bass clef track before the treble clef track, then that's the order in which MidiNotate Player will show them. The MidiNotate Musician program will let you change the order of the tracks, along with hundreds of other options.

Sincerely,
Mark
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graham cripps
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 9:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi
Can anybody tell me if the EZ AG Guitar Can be played through the Yamaha TYROS.
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Erwin O (erdax)
Senior Forum User
Username: erdax

Post Number: 87
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Graham

If you mean by "played through", hooking up your guitar to Tyros and using its amplifier and speakers, the answer is no.

With a midi connection ( and the right midi settings) you will be able to play the Tyros voices from your guitar. If you try to play the Guitar Megavoices of Tyros, that wont work because Megavoices aren't playable.

Cheers ........Erwin

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