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     Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 464 Registered: 4-2005 |
This piece is for my wife, Patsy. It was inspired by our recent good news. Midi file is for those who do not use v2.0. Cheers, Fred
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| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1523 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy Fred, Beautiful - absolutely beautiful! I hope you and Patsy enjoy this piece for a long time to come. I used the sax soundfont that I had used for "Saxophone Rock", and it sounded great. Are you planning on putting up an mp3 of this, using the sounds you have? Life is good  ttfn, Sherry | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 465 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi Sherry, Thank you!! I will probably make an MP3, but not with Garitan. The vibrato is necessary and I can't get that sound with GPO because I need the mod wheel for that effect. I have a "Soft Tenor" voice on my Yamaha keyboard that is beautiful (nice vibrato). I use it to simulate playing live whenever I do a sax ballad, but can't duplicate it with GM. One of these days I'll get another sound card. Guess what? I accidentally found the email address of an old sax player I worked with in the 50's to 70's. He is playing with half the guys from my old bands. He went on to get his Master's in music and then studied 3 years with Hank Levy ( one of the best composers and arrangers in Baltimore). He ended up marrying his piano teacher who is a concert pianist. He plays in a dixieland band, a big band and a jazz combo. I am trying to get him to print out the parts to my Dixieland tune (Can You Hear Me Now) and have his band record it live. Since I played with all the musicians in that group, that would be awesome! Believe it or not, one of the guys is playing my old saxophone. I sold it to him 15 years ago. Wow! Cheers, Fred | ||||
| Mark Walsen (markwa) Notation Software Developer Username: markwa Post Number: 3251 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hello Fred! What a beautiful piece you've written to celebrate the good news about Patsy's health. There's a lot of emotional packed into that piece, which offers us a glimpse into happiness, yet touch of lingering pain, over the stress but then happy outcome of Patsy's wrestle with cancer. I'm looking forward to hearing your MP3 version of this! Cheers -- Mark | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 466 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi Mark, Thank you for the kind compliments. Yes, there was some emotion going on. I originally felt a Kenny Gee type moment coming on, but then using the soft tenor voice sort of sent me into a little different direction. Seems funny, but it almost feels like playing the sax. Cheers, Fred | ||||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 583 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi Fred, You have out-done yourself this time. You do that every time, but this one is special. The theme and your treatment of it is gorgeous, and the sax seems the perfect instrument for it. I like the orchestration, with the strings, harp, trombones, choir and piano; all used selectively but therefore very effectively. The harmony is particularly pleasing and the masterful way you mix chords, creating dissonances, which put the lie to the notion that dissonance must be harsh, is a pure joy. That mixing of chords makes the ending worth re-playing and re-playing. It has a definite sense of the sound ending but the music not. A question: the consensus seems to be that the top note for the tenor sax, when writing for a standard orchestra, is the second Eb above middle C. I notice you've got it playing a whole tone higher, and I suspect it is capable of higher still. Is that so, and what would happen to the tone if it were (if possible) played higher? I wonder, too, if the baritone, alto and soprano saxes can go higher than the recommended top notes. I tried this with the device for all staves changed to the Creative hardware synth and that made a big difference in the sound on my machine. I'm really anxious to hear your mp3 version. all best, mgj | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi MG, Thank you, thank you, thank you! The highest note on saxophones is actually F. ( concert Eb for Bb tenor ). My personal range was about a full octave higher reached by "lipping" the reed very hard. Those notes are only used for dramatic effect ( vanity ) to "wow" the audience... sort of like falsetto in singing. I would not use it with Baritone sax because the tone of the baritone is horrible even in the reachable high register. I once had to lay off playing for 8 weeks because of an operation. An audience does not allow you to limp back into shape, so after about 10 minutes of "wailing" away and hitting those falsetto notes, my lip opened up and blood dripped down my sax and onto the floor. That got the loudest ovation of my life. I thought I was playing in the colleseum for the Romans. The arrangement is a perfect example of simplicity. I used the old "KISS" formula. There is very little trombone, modest string and choir voice parts, and simple piano part ( no left hand ). I didn't use all the insrtuments I normally do. For the sax tone, midi forces you to either write the part an octave lower or in a lower key for a better sound. The Soprano sounds better high than Alto and Tenor because it is mellower ( at least with GM ). Although Kenny Gee plays mainly Alto, I might be able to get close to that sound with Soprano an octave higher. I'll have to try that later on. At least that works on my keyboard. My MP3 would not sound much different because I still have to use the same voices. I don't have a sound card that accepts sound fonts ( My Synthfont is not working that well, either ). I used the tenor sax for the lead because, more than simply a song, I wanted to personalize it. I think using the sax voice on my keyboard, rather than piano, put me into the right mood. Thanks again! Cheers, Fred | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 477 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi Everyone, This is my happy day! I mentioned in my post to Sherry above that I found my old musician buddies. I went to high school at Calvert Hall College in Baltimore, and my old co-sax buddy went on to get his Masters in music and I understand he is one of Baltimore's finest composers and arrangers. The Calvert Hall Alumni Band is a large jazz ensemble that consists of some of the best musicians to come out of that school in last 50 years and is still directed by the original director, Charlie Frietag (86 yrs. of age). I sent Mickey my latest ballad "Dreams Come True" and this is the e-mail I just received from him: "Hey Fred: I like it. If you have it written out and your inclined, send me the lwad sheet and I'll arrange it for large jazz ensemble and have it played by the Calvert Hall Alumni Orchestra. Charlie Freitag still runs this band at 86 years of age. We're playing a dance the end of May. I wrote a ballad for tenor "Softly At Midnight" I'll send you. I have it in Finale and will have to midi it. Mickey" I hope I can find a way to be there to hear it played by such a great band. I know that sounds a little vain, but I guess that's one reason I do it. When I receive his song, Softly At Midnight, I'll upload it here. Cheers, Fred | ||||
| Mark Walsen (markwa) Notation Software Developer Username: markwa Post Number: 3278 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hello Fred, This is really exciting! You definitely need to go hear your piece played by such good musicians and some old friends. Cheers -- Mark | ||||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1540 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy Fred, Oh man - you're going to have to get us all tickets so we can come hear it with you, ya know ;) You and Patsy have got to be there for that one - that's just great!! Congratulations, and I do hope you get to go. And I do wish I could be there to hear it, too. You'll just have to post a recording somewhere ttfn, Sherry | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 478 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi Sherry & Mark, Yea, I sure would like to be able to go hear it. They are playing a dance the end of May, but I don't know who is holding the dance or if it is private or public. Mickey has promised to do the sax solo. I haven't heard him in many years. I hope there is some way to get a recording. To hear it live would be a treat. Just to hear those guys play anything again would be special to me. Cheers, Fred | ||||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 591 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi Fred, Of course you have to be there and, of course, with a recorder. Get the date, time, and place from Mickey. If it's private, crash the party in some subtle way--like pretending to the a band member, manager or make-up man. Just wondering if Mickey will use his computer to do the arrangement. If so, perhaps we can all see the score as we listen. He appears to have some way to "midi it." Anyhow, I'm excited and--well--Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! all best, mgj | ||||
| Fred Winterling (harbor1) Senior Forum User Username: harbor1 Post Number: 479 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hi MG, I like that idea! I can figure out some way to sneak in. I will ask Mickey for the big band arrangement when he finishes it. I still haven't gotten his tenor sax song yet. Doesn't Finale have a "save as midi file" option? I'm not familiar with it. Cheers, Fred | ||||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 592 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi Fred, I'm not familiar with Finale, either. But it must have a midi option. best, mgj |
Tenor Sax piece