| Author | Message | ||
     Clyde (clyde) Senior Forum User Username: clyde Post Number: 855 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Mark, This maybe one of those requested changes from v1.1.7, but I'm not too sure of the logic behind it, and if it is consistant with other things that happen in Composer. If I have a piece in Composer (say we call it our Main piece) and I copy and paste a track from another piece, the the tempo of the Main piece obtains the original tempo of the new track. V1.1.7 the Main piece tempo did not change. In V2, the Main timing takes on the tempo of the most recently pasted track. Not a big issue, but can't see the logic behind it, and I doubt if it what would be normally expected. Cheers ... Clyde | ||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 494 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi Clyde, I, too, think it's not a big issue. But in the latest copy/paste operations I did, I wanted the Main piece tempo to change to that of the material I pasted. Some times it is the other way; that is I want the tempo of the material pasted in to assume that of the Main piece. I'm not sure which I want more often. Let's say it's half and half, in which case half the time I would have adjustments to make after pasting the material and half the time I wouldn't. The logic may be: If I'm pasting material, I probably want it to sound, in its new setting, like itself; thus, I'll want to retain the tempo, and more likely changes would be to key. In either case, chances are that there will be additional work to be done after the paste, so either way (tempo changing to that of the Main piece, or tempo of pasted material retained) is all right with me, at least half the time. all best, mgj | ||
| Herbert WENDE (herbert) Senior Forum User Username: herbert Post Number: 53 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hi Fred, Clyde, My choice is that on pasting some other piece into a main piece, the main piece remains as it is, with a pop up window permitting the inserted piece to either take on the new settings, or remain as it is. In most cases I would have the inserted piece take on the settings of the main piece. This should be the default setting or choice No. 1 Best wishes, Herbert | ||
| Herbert WENDE (herbert) Senior Forum User Username: herbert Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2006 |
It should have been Hi mgj, Clyde, Best wishes, Herbert | ||
| Clyde (clyde) Senior Forum User Username: clyde Post Number: 857 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Herbert & mgj, Just a further thought about this tempo/pasting issue, and that is that if there are any timing changes within the Main piece, at present in V2 they too get overridden by the new piece. Or in other words, they get lost. Upon reading mgj's argument about the need to sometimes wanting the resultant piece of the pastings to take on the time of the new piece, I can see some merit in that, particularly if you are creating a new piece (ie a brand new score where there really is no Main piece). Apart from that situation, I think I am prefer leaving the tempo of the main the same, and change the tempo of the piece being pasted. Or in otherwords, if given a choice I prefer the v1.1.7 concept. (Mark: incidentally, I went to the Help page on 'Paste' to see what it said. There was a link to Paste Tempo: Copying Tempo Changes from One Region to Another which gave a 'page not found' error). Cheers ... Clyde | ||
| Mark Walsen (markwa) Notation Software Developer Username: markwa Post Number: 2965 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hello Clyde, MG, and Herbert, This issue about "should the tempo be pasted as well as the notes?" is a lot like the one about chord names, isn't it, Clyde? The resolution of the chord name issue, as now implemented in 2.0, is this: If the destination region already has chord names, then keep them, otherwise paste the chord names as well as the notes. I think we can find similar resolution for tempo changes. This analogous resolution comes to mind: If the destination region already has any tempo changes, then keep them, otherwise paste the tempo changes as well as the notes. I don't think that's an optimal solution, though. Perhaps mostly importantly, it doesn't deal with the case where the destination region has a constant tempo that the user doesn't want to be replaced. I'm quite reluctant to throw a dialog box in the middle of every Paste operation. That would be quite annoying to users. I'm somewhat tempted to offer a variant of Paste, where the user would type Ctrl+V to copy everything except conductor's information (chord names and tempo), and would type Shift+Ctrl+V to also copy the chord names and tempo. But I believe such 3-finger commands are user-unfriendly. Also, I'm already using Shift+Ctrl+V for "go to Velocity tab". "Wait." you say, "Didn't you just say that 3-finger commands are unfriendly?" Yes. I'm not proud of Shift+Ctrl+V for "go to Velocity tab", but I needed some alternative to Shift+V for "show velocity vectors without going to the Velocity tab". There are parallel commands for Piano Roll and Graph: (Shift)+Ctrl+Y and X. I don't much like any of them. Hmmm, I'll go on to other forum posts and let you all think about this one. Cheers -- Mark | ||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 495 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi Guys, I've gone through things I've worked on recently, looking for areas where I've pasted in something from either the same piece, a sketch or a draft. I've found that it's about a draw vis a vis tempo, but I've also found that in every instance there has been work to do after the paste, regarding meter and/or key and/or tempo and/or note velocity, etc., which Composer makes it quite easy to accomplish. So unless there is a magic way of having what you paste in automatically become just as you want it (Shift Ctrl MP for Magic Paste, maybe), my looking through things confirms it really doesn't matter to me. However, I can undestand that people might have different preferences--I would lean toward keeping it as it is in 2.0, if only because leaving it so obviates the work to change it. So how about an option in Setup that would be a kind of on/off switch for pasting all information as is or changing everything but notes themselves to the environment of the region being pasted to? That's about the best I can think of that might come closest to satisfying everybody. all best, mgj |
