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     SJActress Unregistered Guest |
Please take a look at my attachment. As you can see, this a song for piano, and many of the measures separate into four parts (because of sustains overlapping and whatnot). Around measure 13, the tenor part keeps getting screwed up. For example, in measure 14, the tenor part should have an 1/8 note G tied into the following 1/4 note (where the D is played). Basically, it should be a dotted 1/4. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, I typed it in that way, and it stays. However, after I Save and Close it, it goes back to the untied 1/8th note you see in the attachment. It's driving me bonkers! | |||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1736 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy SJ, I don't see an attachment yet. Hopefully forthcoming? Also, while we're at it, which product and version are you using? And are you saving the file as a .mid or a .not file? Those details will help us figure out the problem. Thanks! Sherry | |||
| Sara Jo Dunstan (sjactress) Registered Forum User Username: sjactress Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2005 |
Sorry, my song did not attach...I guess because I wasn't logged in? Let me try again.
There we go! Any help is appreciated. Also, I should add that I assign these notes as upper voice, and they sometimes change to both voices. ETA for Sherry (thanks): Notation Composer 2.0, saved as a .mid file. Thanks again. GAH! One more thing. It's not saving the tempo. It keeps going back up to 100% (I miss 1.0 right now  ). I swear...okay, one MORE thing. See the alto part in measure 12? It should be 4 1/4 notes, not that craziness that's on there. I keep changing that back TOO, but it all returns if I close out Composer and re-open. | |||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1737 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy Sara Jo, I have a feeling that the problem is probably with the Piano Roll edit settings. When I opened up your file, and clicked on the Piano Roll tab, the file was set to edit the notation, but not the performance (MIDI data). So, when you edited the notation, your changes showed up in the notation that you were looking at, but when you saved the file as a .mid file, the actual performance remained unchanged. Then, when you re-opened that .mid file, it looked the same as before - frustrating indeed! However, if you'll do the following, then you'll change not only the notation, but the underlying MIDI performance data as well. Then, when you save the file in .mid format and re-open it, the notation should read as you want it to. 1. Open your file in Composer. 2. Click the Piano Roll tab. 3. On the far left are three buttons that show what kind of editing you can do: * Notation AND performance (the notation and the MIDI data) * As-notated only (the performance stays the same, which is what you've been doing) * Performance only (this would keep the notation constant, while changing the underlying MIDI performance) This is helpful if you want simplified notation for printing, but want to demonstrate how a piece should "feel" when it's played back in the program or as a .mid file. You should click the very first button, "Edit both as-notated and as-performed". Then, when you change the notation, the performance (what you hear) will change to correspond to what you see in the notation. This should solve the notation-changes-don't-stick problem. For the tempo change, it should show 100% when you re-open a file, but that 100% should be the saved tempo. For example: 1. I open a file that has a tempo of Quarter note= 120, which is 100%. 2. I use the Tempo tool button to change the tempo to Quarter note=60, which is then 50%. 3. I save the file. 4. Later on, or in a new session, I re-open this file, and the tempo shows at Quarter note = 60, which is now 100%. Is this not the behavior that you're getting? If not, then please describe what exactly you are seeing here. I'm not able to reproduce any problems in my setup, but I may be doing my steps differently than you are. ttfn, Sherry | |||
| Sara Jo Dunstan (sjactress) Registered Forum User Username: sjactress Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2005 |
Hi Sherry, Well, I tried everything you said. In regards to the tempo, my program doesn't recognize anything I put in the Quarter Note = field. I can change it to 60 until my fingers fall off, and the tempo stays at 120. I have to change the percentage (the top field) in order for anything to react. A pain in the butt, but at least the song isn't racing along anymore! As for the piano roll, I tried what you suggested (changing to edit both), fixed everything in the first five measures, saved and closed. When I re-opened, it defaulted back to what it was before (meaning it ignored my fixes again). I tried it twice, to make sure. This did not fix the problem, basically. Thank you for your help so far.  Any other suggestions? | |||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1741 Registered: 1-2004 |
Hi Sarah Jo, Doh! I missed seeing that you're using 2.0 - sorry about that. There were a couple of fixes since then that may account for some of the problems you're seeing with the tempo. Please visit www.notation.com/Redownload.htm and download the newest 2.2 version and install it (if you have any problems, email me directly or at the Helpdesk). Right around 2.0, we switched installation applications, so using the "Help/Software updates" is probably not the best way for you to get updated to version 2.2. Please install the newer version 2.2, restart your machine, and then see if the problems go away. Let's hope so, but if not, do let me know. For the note editing problem, I know this may seem obvious, but it's tripped up a lot of folks. If you're saving the file as a .mid file, are you changing the file name and then opening up the newly saved file, rather than the old original one, which would appear then to have "lost" your changes? Just a thought. ttfn, Sherry | |||
| Sara Jo Dunstan (sjactress) Registered Forum User Username: sjactress Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2005 |
Hi Sherry, I re-installed (turns out I actually do have 2.2, not 2.0), and changed the music again. This time, I changed the name while saving (Save As). I opened up the new file--same thing as before. It keeps changing my notation. Would maybe saving it as a .not file fix this at all? I'm at least going to try that next. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks! *UPDATE* Saving it as a .not file stopped it from changing my note lengths and voice assignments. YAY!!!! Thank you, Sherry, for all your help! Hopefully, if someone else has this problem, they'll stumble upon this thread. Thanks again! | |||
| David Jacklin (dj) Senior Forum User Username: dj Post Number: 593 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi, Sara, Sherry and Mark: I think there are some remaining difficulties with Piano Roll mode, as evidenced by this thread. Piano Roll notation never seems to be in the right mode when I go to use it, meaning a half-dozen extra click, drag, selection processes before I can get there, along with Composer's tendency to lose note selections when going from one mode to another. Two things might help: 1) if Composer did not lose my note selections when I change from As-Notated to As-Performed to As-Notated And As-Performed modes in Piano Roll view, forcing me to stop and re-select all the time (actually, this happens when moving between modes in most, if not all, cases). 2) If, when going into Notes And Rests, Composer automatically and silently selected As-Notated And As-Performed mode, so that I can change the notes I want to change when I want to change them. I constantly have to move back and forth to get into the right mode, wasting a lot of time. Finally, of course, is the Note Lock feature which, despite having a feature to permanently turn it off, always seems to be on when I go to select notes in a midi file. I've expressed my frustration with this feature before, and I'm afraid it still remains. David (on a grumpy, miserable, fog-bound day near Ottawa) | |||
| M G Jacobs (mgj32) Senior Forum User Username: mgj32 Post Number: 791 Registered: 7-2005 |
Hi David, I have been bothered by exactly what you describe above, especially having to select the As Notated and As Performed button so often. I hadn't convinced myself that the problem was not something I was doing wrong, but that you have it, too, is a pretty fair indication to the contrary. all best, mgj | |||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1745 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy Sara Jo, Yes, as you found, saving the file as a .not file preserves all changes that you make to the file. I'm glad it's working out for you ttfn, Sherry | |||
| Herbert WENDE (herbert) Senior Forum User Username: herbert Post Number: 143 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hi Sara Jo, Sherry, David, MG, ... When you start up Composer 2.2, the mode in Piano Roll is always set to “Edit as-notated note attacks and duration”. It would be better if it was set to “Edit both as-notated and as performed”. In Composer 1.7, notes were not automatically deselected, when clicking on Piano Roll. This is no longer the case with Composer 2.2, wasting time by having to use extra steps. For the work I am currently doing, I have no need to use Piano Roll. I suspect that there are other users not having any need for Piano Roll at times. Last year, I commented on Piano Roll repeatedly and suggested that Composer should have a Piano Roll free mode. The new “Note Locking Options” in Set up of Composer 2, were supposed to do that, but do not. I hope that this discussion does not put Sara Jo off, from using Composer. Composer has some fantastic features, no doubt David and MG will agree. Best wishes, Herbert | |||
| Sherry Crann (sherry) Product Designer Username: sherry Post Number: 1750 Registered: 1-2004 |
Howdy folks, Herbert, thanks for your suggestions for which default settings you find most useful. It sounds like these defaults would probably be what Sara Jo and David would find better suited to their work as well. I don't think the discussion will put Sara Jo off from using Composer - she's a long-time customer I'll pass these suggestions on to Mark Walsen, our chief developer. ttfn, Sherry | |||
| Sara Jo Dunstan (sjactress) Registered Forum User Username: sjactress Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2005 |
That's true, Sherry! ;) I love Composer, believe me--and I love the fact that the developer and staff are so easy to get ahold of, and listen to their customers. I couldn't get this kind of support from any other notation company, that's for sure! Glad this was all brought up, so it can be figured out. |
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